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I keep waking up and staring at the clock, thinking it must be time to get up. *sighs* Still, it's good to be getting more sleep. I might not fall asleep in Philosophy again today. :-)

Feel better this morning. Hopefully everything'll be fine 'till Friday. It all just got to me yesterday. *snuggles everyone again* Love my f-list. ^__^

I made no comment on the election of the new Pope yesterday, really because I had nothing to say. All the news channels were complaining that they'd wanted someone more progressive. *blinks* This is the Church. What did they expect, the new Pope to come outside in ripped jeans and a Greenpeace t-shirt declaring undying love for gay people? No offense meant of course, but there was never - will never? - going to be a Pope like that. *shrugs* The way things are.

If I just offended anyone, sorry. Unintentional.

I want breakfast and to do some Philosophy reading and then to go shopping for very late birthday presents after my seminar. *ponders* I think I am in need of a little retail therapy, I'm just debating what form it should take.

Later,

Clo

:D

Date: 2005-04-20 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squishy-monkey.livejournal.com
LOL! id love to see a papal organised green-peace/pride march. hehe. damned shame that they hate gays aint it? just out of interest, is this pope anti-condom as well? cos ya know... the old pop was such a gr8 pope... the news people just like to forget that he basicly caused lots and LOTS of people to suffer because he decided that condoms were the work of Satan. you have to wonder if these people ever went to school really dont u? maybe thats just me. *shrug*

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clo.livejournal.com
*giggles* I'd love to see that too. ^__^ Yes, I think he is anti-condom and someone should make the Pope have the f**king babies, then see how fast he endorses condoms. The bastard. I agree, they seem to lack basic intelligence most of the time. I just want to hit them with something heavy until they get the message that this is the twenty-first century and it's about time they caught up with the rest of us.

The world should be more like Dogma in my opinion. ^__^

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukedee.livejournal.com
Yeah, but it's belief, nothing to do with intelligent or fashionable thought. If people go along with something they don't believe in, then it's their own fault really.

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clo.livejournal.com
*nods* Yeah, I guess so. I think a lot of Catholics quietly ignore the rules anyway... it'd just be nice for the Church to think about their responsiblities and the consequences of what they're preaching sometimes. *sighs*

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukedee.livejournal.com
Lapsed Catholics them. The one's who stick to the rules are devout. It's the same with all faiths though. Jehovah's Witnesses can't give or recieve blood. Islam's rules for women seem pretty damn unfair to most. Under Judaism boys must be circumcised. If you know of something against The Church In Wales, I'd gladly hear you out. There are also societies that don't allow religion. This is why I try not to criticise anyone elses beliefs. If you say something against one you disagree with, then shouldn't you say something about the others? I guess that's a question of ethics.

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clo.livejournal.com
I have to say I don't agree with any organised religion, though Christianity just comes to mind since it's the one I'm most surrounded by. I think faith shouldn't be prescribed and ordered by an institution. No one knows exactly what God is or what he wants or if he even exists. The rules of religion are written by people, not greater power - no greater power has ever told me "Condoms are evil." Dogma says God hates the word 'belief' - he'd much prefer us to have 'ideas' and I agree with that. We can't believe anything when there is no proof, and no I do not count the Bible or the Koran or any other historical source text - written by people and therefore fallible - as solid proof. All organised faith is run by people, dictated by people and controlled by people. It has no right to dicate what other people should do, think or say.

Faith should be individual and personal, based on ideas and not belief. If you think condoms are wrong then fine, that's your idea and you don't have to use them. People who don't particulary want more children, in an already overpopulated world, not using condoms because an institution run and controlled by fallible people says they shouldn't? Wrong.

... And this is why I say don't get me started on religion. -_- I never shut up. Suffice to say I don't agree with organised religion and never will.

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukedee.livejournal.com
That's the story. Except Dogma said God was a she. But otherwise yeah. My choice of religion technically comes down to the queen not being the head of it and that's brought about by my anti-royalist style beliefs. I did kinda try to get across what you said, but perhaps it was a bit subtle, or perhaps I'm just too tired still. I'm going back to bed.

Re: :D

Date: 2005-04-20 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clo.livejournal.com
*grins* Hey, I've got no argument with God being a she. ;-) I think I tend to go in circles when I rant on this subject, so it was probably my fault.

*pets* Go get some more sleep. It's always good.

Date: 2005-04-20 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scoobydumblonde.livejournal.com
How easily I can tell the difference between your part of the world and mine. *sigh*

On my news channels, they were all "Oh, how approproiate. he's going to be such a great leader!" *flips them all off*

And on the condom thing... it's a Catholic overall thing. Supposed to be one of the big rules and whatnot. *rolls eyes* No contraception of ANY kind. At all.

ANd this is why I no longer practice my religion. *kicks the Catholic faith in general*

Date: 2005-04-20 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clo.livejournal.com
Ggrrr. That would've annoyed me way more. *snarls at your news channels* I suddenly appreciate mine. *pets them* At least they try.

I still say if men had to have the babies then contraception would practically be a law. Hell, they'd probably find a way for God to have invented it in the Bible. -_- They really need to take a step back and think about what they're rambling on about sometimes.

I'm unspeakably relieved I was brought up without much emphasis on religion. (Though if I ever do say something that annoys you, feel free to tell me to shut up. ^__^ I tend to get a little carried away.)

Date: 2005-04-20 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scoobydumblonde.livejournal.com
I mostly just turned 'em off. Went to watch Finding Nemo instead of the news. :-D

I completely agree. If only they thought about what they were saying... then think abstinence is the only birth control. *kicks religion in general*

You're very lucky. I was baptised, raised catholic until I was old enough to make my own choices. I admit freely that I still go to church when I visit my grandma, but that's more for my mom than anything. I don't believe what they say and spend most of the time trying to think out plots for fic. *giggles*

Nothing you could say would offend me or annoy me. I don't much believe in religion. *shrugs* It's not such a bad way to do things.

Date: 2005-04-21 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clo.livejournal.com
Yay! Finding Nemo makes far more sense. *pets the cute fishies*

*sighs* Trouble is, no one ever sits them down and *makes* them think... and no one with an open mind ever seems to get to a place where they can make the difference. *kicks them too*

I didn't realise how lucky I was until a couple of years ago but now I'm hugely grateful. It's made me think that kids shouldn't be exposed to religion until they *are* old enough to make up their owns minds. *shrugs* I think trying to explain that to religious families is probably fighting a losing battle though - you can't really tell people how to raise their own children. *sighs*

There's a running joke that I'll burst into flames if I step foot inside a church. *giggles* Hasn't happened yet but I don't like to push my luck too often.

That's good. I do tend to let my mouth run away with me sometimes. ^__^ I agree - I'm perfectly happy bouncing through life without religion. Makes it all much simpler. ^__^

Date: 2005-04-21 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scoobydumblonde.livejournal.com
*snuggles the cuet fishies* 'Tis a good movie and makes everything better ;-)

THat's exactly the problem with religion. They're so set in their ways that no one can tell them anything because everyone else is always completely and totally wrong. It would be best if people waited until kids were old enough to make their own decisions but it goes back to that whole they're always right, we're always wrong thing. *shrugs*

*grins* I'm surprised sometimes that I haven't... but yeah, I don't press my luck too often. :-D

Life is much simpler without organized religion. *nods*

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